* *** COMMENTS_ON_2025-07-08_CJPG_AND_PIDQG TXT - 8 Jul 2025  23:50:47 - JGKNAUTH


These 7/8/25 drafts are almost identical to the documents for the
11/5/24 election, so the comments I made on the old documents still
apply.  That's almost all of what is listed below.  The SB 391 PIDQG
comment is new.

More background information and links to detailed writeups with my
rationale are still at
https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/Actions_Summary.htm as they have
been since last November.  They haven't changed for these documents.


Photo ID Quick Guide  2025.v.1  (received on 7/8/25)
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<Comment #1 is essentially what was in my 7/8/24 PIDQG comments.>

Page  1: The text at the top of the page should be edited.  It tells
         only part of the story.  It shouldn't repeat some of the
         details of what the voter has already gone thru (per the Manual
         and RTQG) before getting to this point, but leaving out some
         important things.  Keeping this PIDQG text as is just exposes
         you to having the PIDQG get out of sync with the other (main)
         documentation, as in fact had previously occurred.  The PIDQG
         should focus JUST on Photo ID processing.

         I think the whole "Voting Process" text should be only:

            "After the voter's pollbook label has been found (see
            Manual, Section 4, Registration Table), ask the voter for a
            photo ID and verify it using the guidelines below.

            If you believe the voter's Photo ID does not meet all the
            requirements or the voter does not have a Photo ID, mark
            the "No ID" and "Photo ID" boxes on the ATV and send the
            voter to the Help Table with the ATV.  The voter does not
            sign the ATV and you do not initial it."

         You really need to provide those ATV box marking details here
         if you are sending the voter to the HT via this document, as
         you do.

Page  2: I'm sure the Senate Bill 391 driver license expiration
         extension will require some additional information on page 2.

         Aside:  Given that they admit the NC extension will likely be
         ignored by other states, will it also be ignored for Federal
         processes, e.g., HAVA ID checking?  That is, will HAVA ID
         checking still require use of the expiration date as it
         actually appears on the license -- no ifs, ands, or buts?

Page  4: In Option 2 there is a "*" which looks kind of like a footnote
         callout, but it isn't.  Probably it and the following text is a
         misshapen list item.  The "*" should be a"-" and the item
         should be properly aligned with the other "-" item.

Page  4: For the first right-side cell in the FAQ, as is well known by
         now, my strong recommendation is to ALWAYS sent the forgetful
         voter to the Help Table for the reasons I listed last year in
         https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/Forgetful_Voters_and_Label_Attachment_Order.htm
         and which proved well-founded in that election at 19-19.  See
         the postmortem
         https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/Postmortem_2024-11-05.htm

         Note also the ATV marking problems for the 5/29/25 (current?)
         RTQG flowchart that I detailed in my 6/2/25 comments,
         https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/Comments_on_QG_May_Drafts.txt
         That flowchart tries to allow forgetful voters to go outside
         from the RT. (Then come back where?)  To allow this, the
         flowchart does a late attachment of the label and that can
         cause some voters to be sent to the HT with an improperly
         marked ATV.  I documented the exact flows for the problems, but
         never received any feedback on those flowchart comments.  Does
         the Staff disagree with what I documented?


Chief Judge Pocket Guide  2025.v.1  (received on 7/8/25)
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<The following are from my 7/8/24, 8/2/24, and 9/8/24 CJPG comments.
The 9/8/24 list was essentially a repeat of the earlier comments that
had not been addressed.  Here they are again in 2025, while I'm still
around to make them.>


Page  3: Fourth entry from bottom:
            "All sealed boxes of voted ballots" =>
            "All boxes of voted ballots"
         You had corrected this in the Manual in a couple of places.
         Why isn't it being fixed here?

Page 10: Bullet 11 (the Last-Minute Absentee item).  There is still no
         mention of possible (likely) PC use to make hardcopies of these
         lists.  And still no mention that a copy is needed for the HT
         in addition to the copy mentioned to add to the Absentee List.

         list Tuesday => lists Tuesday

         <I'm curious how large these lists were elsewhere in 11/24.
         For 19-19 our list had 42 entries -- not something you want to
         handle over the phone.  It has been as high as 54 entries in
         prior elections.

Page 13: Third checkbox:  Add back the (accidentally?) deleted
            "Fold down the front security flap."

Page 21: Replace the ExpressVote section with a more detailed page on
         ExpressVote ballot packing, e.g., saying how to get the count
         at the two times it is needed, with a different technique
         required for each of the two times.
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/CJPG_errata.htm ]

Page ??: Move edited Manual page 10 (1500-ballot bin emptying) to the
         CJPG.  Reference the page 21 section replacement for getting
         the ExpressVote ballot count.
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/CJPG_errata.htm ]

Page 26: Fix Emergency Bin handling order; always open the bin to check.

Page 28: In the mid-page image of part of the Reconciliation Form:
            "Papersheets" -> "Paper Sheets"
         to match the text that is on the tape.  Of course it is the
         Reconciliation Form that should be corrected in the first place
         to match the spelling of the tape's flaky ES&S wording since
         the tape won't change.

         See also my ES&S terminology confusion summary (harangue) in
         https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/Actions_Summary.htm#ESS

Page 28: In the tape #1 section, second bullet.  Why not record the
         ExpressVote card count here in a CJPG box as I had specified in
         https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/Overlapped_Tape_Processing_REFORMAT.htm
         That count will be needed later; if it isn't recorded now it
         will have to be gotten off one of the stored away #1, #2, #3,
         or #4 tapes later.  (Tape #5 and the magic/secret button will
         be unavailable when the voted ballots are put in boxes, which
         is when the ExpressVote card count will be needed.  By that
         time the Tabulator will be powered off and locked up with Tape
         #5 inside.)
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/CJPG_errata.htm ]

         An alternative would be to record the ExpressVote count
         somewhere on the Reconcilation Form at the same time you are
         recording the "number of Total Paper Sheets" on that form.

Page 28: Don't select Report Options when printing tapes 3, 4, and 5.
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/CJPG_errata.htm ]

Page 31: ExpressVote thumb drive?!

Page 32: In the Counted Ballots Bin section, reference the page 21
         section replacement for getting the ExpressVote ballot count.
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/CJPG_errata.htm ]
         Or (preferably) you could just say, "See the ExpressVote ballot
         count you recorded on page 28." (or on the Reconciliation Form)

Page 32: In the Unvoted Ballots section, document orange box labeling.
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/CJPG_errata.htm ]

         For details on why I think the current CJPG wording is bad,
         [see https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/Actions_Summary.htm#orangebox ]

Page 33: Edit the lower left cell in the table.  The "Ballot packages"
         needs fixing.  In my original source file for this I just said
         "Worksheet".
https://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/TEMPORARY/Bags_and_Reconciliation_Form_11-2023.htm

         As background for what we did in 19-19 to provide the "unvoted
         ballots" number, my BT Officials use a worksheet, e.g., see
         http://jgkhome.name/WakeBOE/Ballot_Count_Reconciliation_2024-03-05.htm
         (Old versions of the BTQG said the BT Officials should record
         the unvoted ballots number on a scratch pad.  The latest BTQG
         just says "report the number to the Chief Judge".)  My
         worksheet is just a formatted way to help the Officials
         calculate the number and then report it to me.  I think
         something like "Worksheet from BT Officials" is a lot more
         accurate than "Ballot packages".  Or at least just repeat
         "Total unvoted ballots" instead of saying "Ballot packages";
         the middle column shows where the information comes from.

Page 34: List the Tabulator tape roll as to be in the CJ Supply Bag.

Jeff